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today on the show we talked to the

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actual son of our UFO dad Paul Hynek

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even with lieutenant colonel friend who

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is my father's favorite of the air force

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directors when they would go investigate

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a case the first thing to do was to

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determine if it was if it seemed to be

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legitimate if it is then right away

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their paths diverged the Air Force

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director lieutenant colonel friend would

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try to see if it posed a risk for

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national security whereas my father

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would be trying to think about how to

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replicate it how to get more data points

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to prove it and to demonstrate it to

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other people so even then with a great

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person like Lieutenant Colonel friend

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who is the best of the lot the best draw

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my father could have had they will be

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going down different paths

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almost immediately after determining

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that there's something to a report this

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welcome to somewhere in the Scots I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague a little crash

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course on the focal point of this week's

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episode before we get to our guest Paul

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hi Nick

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Joseph Allen Hynek was born in Chicago

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Illinois on May 1st 1910 an introduction

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to the Stars came after Hynek was

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bedridden with scarlet fever at the age

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of seven having run through their supply

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of children's books to read his mom

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turned to textbooks with a high school

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edition on astronomy capturing hynek's

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attention Hynek excelled in math and

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became editor of a school paper in high

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school by then he'd also developed an

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interest in more esoteric subjects

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particularly the works of the

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Rosicrucian secret societies and

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hermetic philosopher Rudolf Steiner

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after earning his Bachelor of Science

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from the University of Chicago in 1931

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Hynek remained at the school to pursue a

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doctorate in astronomy his graduate

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studies took him to the Yerkes

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observatory at Wisconsin's Lake Geneva

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where he recalled his focus on the

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cosmos left him largely in the dark

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about the events like the rise of Adolf

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Hitler and Nazi Germany instead it was

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an interstellar event that impacted his

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career with the appearance of the

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brilliant Nova Hercules in the night sky

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in late 1934 Hynek was tapped to take

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readings of the supernova at Ohio's

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Perkins Observatory which was affiliated

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with Ohio State University after earning

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his ph.d he joined Ohio State's

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Department of physics and astronomy in

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1936 in 1948

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Hynek then director of Ohio State's

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Macmillan Observatory agreed to help the

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US Air Force investigate reports of

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unexplained aircraft sightings including

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one that described the lightning fast

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saucers above the Cascade Mountains in

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Washington

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this was the now-famous Kenneth Arnold

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sighting as the astronomical consultant

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on projects I'm Hynek combed through the

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reports and sorted them into categories

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there were those which were simply

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astronomical observations but the

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appearance of a meteor those explained

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by meteorology like an unusually shaped

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cloud and those which captured accounts

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of man-made objects like balloons that

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left about 20% with no clear explanation

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though Hynek felt that answers would

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eventually surface and returned to Ohio

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State by 1952 with reports continuing to

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trickle in the Air Force had rekindled

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was also back in the fold and now

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granted the license to investigate the

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alleged sightings in the field while

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he'd harbored plenty of skepticism in

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the first time around he found his

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assumptions challenged by the rational

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recollections of witnesses and begin

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objects by the 1960s

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Hynek had moved on as the chair of the

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department of astronomy at Northwestern

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University and was at odds with the

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stifling oversight of the Air Force with

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New Mexico police officer Lonnie Zamora

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in 1964 Hynek began conferring with

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other curious northwestern faculty

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members in what he called his invisible

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college in March 1966 Hynek was

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dispatched to investigate reports of

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unusual lights in separate areas of

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possibly the result of quote swamp gas

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the term became a national joke but

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Michigan congressman and House Minority

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Leader Gerald Ford was not laughing and

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demanded the Armed Services Committee

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pick up what he felt was a shoddy

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investigation called to testify

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Hynek used the occasion to argue for an

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extensive transparent study of UFOs

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marking his first public break from the

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air force with the formation later that

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year of the University of Colorado's

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conduct committee

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Hynek was thrilled that UFO research had

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finally risen to a level of national

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however he was disappointed when the

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committee concluded two years of study

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with the report that there was no need

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subject of UFOs and in 1969 Project Blue

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longer hamstrung by the Air Force

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studies or Koufos to further legitimize

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the field of quote ethology Koufos

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leading investigations of reported

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sightings while also fostering working

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devote his full attention to key foes

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but the early 1980s fundraising efforts

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were flailing and Hynek was forced to

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run the operation out of his home in

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Evanston Illinois in 1972 Hynek sought

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to lay out a clear explanation of his

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studies by publishing the UFO experience

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a scientific inquiry the book is most

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famous for introducing the close

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encounter classification the close

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pop-culture lexicon later in the decade

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Hynek served as a consultant on set and

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even made a brief cameo in the film as a

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scientist in the 1970s Hynek was a

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well-known face for ufology thanks to

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appearances on programs like the Dick

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Cavett show and in search of he was a

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the college circuit and even delivered a

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presentation on UFOs to the United

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Hynek would marry his second wife in

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1942 her name was Miriam Curtis who also

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became very popular in the UFO field as

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well they had five children

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on April 27th 1986 at the age of 75 he

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was by far one of the most influential

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and important figures to ever

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2019 the History Channel released a

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television docudrama called Project Blue

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Book based on the case files of J Allen

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Hynek Hynek serves as the main character

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in the show navigating his way through

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each UFO case and suffering the pressure

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of military involvement working against

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his scientific rigor and just like in

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real life the show's first season

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explored the growing cover-up of the UFO

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issue in hynek's attempt at unraveling

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it while remaining the steadfast

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scientist through it all the first

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season of the show was the number one

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television drama on cable and with the

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second season now in full effect we are

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seeing the work of Hynek played out in

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the mainstream public like never before

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J Allen Hynek to a large number of US

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UFO researchers is often referred to as

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our quote UFO dad but today we're going

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to talk to one of J Allen Hynek actual

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sons a man who was there for many of his

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father's most important investigations

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and his work with the Air Force we are

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speaking to filmmaker project and book

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series consultant and professor Paul

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Heinrich we get the inside look at what

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it was like growing up in a home where

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your father came home to tell stories of

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flying saucers strange alien beings and

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here is our conversation with Paul hi

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project Bluebook umbrella so I didn't

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sure most of my listeners and not all of

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them are familiar with the name Hynek

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but for maybe anyone just hopping in

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this episode Paul could you maybe give

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us a little background on who you are

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what you do and your connection to the

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main character in The History Channel

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television series project Bluebook sure

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happy to be here Ryan I'm a consultant

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and tech and entertainment and a

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professor at Pepperdine University and

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I'm related to the main character in

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project Bluebook he was my father

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and so for me and my four other siblings

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UFOs is kind of a family business one of

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my earliest memories is UFO ornaments on

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the Christmas tree what we would all

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give for something like that people ask

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well whatever you grow up with good or

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bad is normal I don't understand what

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it's like to not grow up with UFO

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witnesses coming over to your house for

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dinner yeah exactly I could imagine you

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know anyone who even spoke the acronym

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UFO in front of you or your family like

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that was just a recipe for hours of

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conversation oh well no um in terms of

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your father so this is Jo and hornik and

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may not be too familiar in idea of

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we was what he did and how he eventually

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became to work for the Air Force yeah my

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dad J Allen Hynek born and raised as a

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little Czech speaking boy in Chicago

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once straight-through got his PhD in

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astrophysics from the University of

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Chicago and became a professor at Ohio

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technological advancements and then

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helped under the direction of Fred

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Whipple helped organize our project moon

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watch where he set up 12 observatories

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around the world and organized the first

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citizen crowd-sourced project command

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these observatories with amateurs to

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track the first satellites so they were

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the ones they were able to spot a

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Sputnik and track its trajectory so he's

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giving twice daily press briefings and

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for that but what he's best known for

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that he wasn't a strong right Ohio State

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University and in the late 40s the Air

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astronomer to help us find explanations

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to UFOs and that was something at the

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time called Project sine which then

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became project grudge which then became

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Project Blue Book so my father agreed he

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was a patriotic guy and I imagine he

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thought this was just going to be a

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short-term part-time job on the weekends

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just to you know easily explain away

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what people were misperceiving as Venus

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or a weather balloon or whatever other

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prosaic explanation that he thought

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there was I don't think he dreamed that

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this would become a 20-year hobby let's

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say and something that he'd become

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well-known for right I mean even getting

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him you know into a major motion picture

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which will definitely touch on and now a

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TV show it's it's crazy like the

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trajectory this is all sort of gone on

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so then we have a History Channel

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television show Project Blue Book that

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came about which is you know the life

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and career of your father seen through

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the lens of

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a you know a quote-unquote fictional

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television show but based on true events

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so how did this how did this all come to

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be falling what is your what is your

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connection to the show itself yeah so

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you've had David O'Leary the creator of

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the show on non - I believe yes and Sean

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Jablonski the showrunner okay great good

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they're both great guys

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so David came up with David has always

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been interested in your host as has Sean

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and David latched upon my father as a

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really interesting sort of dramatic core

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around which to tell a story because you

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have a fairly sympathetic character who

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is you know an astronomer and

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astrophysicist and Family Guy

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who doesn't believe in UFOs but by

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virtue of seeing the accumulated weight

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of the good evidence comes not to

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believe because I don't think scientists

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really believe but to accept the weight

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of the evidence so it's sort of a

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character arc that many people can

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follow and say hey if this sort of

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Midwestern you know salt of the earth

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guy starts thinking there's something

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here maybe I should cure and so they

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reached out to my brother Joel and I we

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both live in Los Angeles and asked if we

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would serve as consultants on the show

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and so we talked with our family and we

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decided we would and so we're pretty

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deeply involved in the production

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process we read the scripts before the

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pre-production scripts and give input

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I've been to the set three times and

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actually have a cameo role coming up in

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season two and have spent a lot of time

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with Sean and David and the cast my TV

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mom and TV dad and I've done a lot of

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publicity for the show right and it's so

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good to hear that history and you know

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the creator and showrunner are so

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passionate about both the topic and just

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your father's work like it was so clear

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when I had them on that like they do

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their research this isn't just them oh

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yeah you know cherry-picking a case your

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dad looked at and then creating a

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completely different story

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yes they have to change things it's TV

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it's entertainment you know that is one

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of their biggest defenses and

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that I use to when you know the your UFO

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purists come around and say this is all

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so fabricated and fictionalized like

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it's such a detriment to hynek's work

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and I guess PO yeah maybe we could get

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your thoughts on that do you do you

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think the show helps or hinders or is

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somewhere in between when it comes to

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your father's work that's a good

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question and it's you know we can also

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talk about Close Encounters in his

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affiliation with that in his residence

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as hasn't it

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before that but you know I think my gut

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feeling is that my father would have

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said you know I'm gonna put on my

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slippers in my robe and sit my comfy

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chair and have a bowl of popcorn and

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have a rollicking good time I think he

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would have thought that look this is the

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show that takes my mom and dad and and

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what Sean and David and Aiden and Laura

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who played my dad and mom respectively

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really wanted to get was not complete

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accuracy but authenticity of the

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characters I think that's the important

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part you know it's an interesting

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dramatic premise to take real-life

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people and some real live events or real

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reported events and then sort of stretch

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them and dramatize them so the main

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thing for us from my brother and I

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representing a family was that we felt

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that they would treat our parents in a

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respectful way and we think they have so

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my mom I think would say oh it's a bunch

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of nonsense you don't need to have me in

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there but I think they would find the

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show to be fine you know it's it like I

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said it's a respectful look primarily at

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the career of my father but also at the

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arc of my mother who becomes an

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important figure in ufology in her own

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right and so it's you know it follows

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that trajectory of my father and Turner

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tries to take that authentic core of his

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real life character and see how they

402
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would react with highly stretched

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circumstances right right and you know

404
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for anyone out there in show business or

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just watches a lot of television like

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you understand that this is not a

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documentary it's a television show there

408
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needs to be a way to keep it going and

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to create a story so I'm so happy to

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hear that you're your mother's character

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is going to be a more pivotal character

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on the second season here I could

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already tell from the first

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two episodes like that she's gonna

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become a much bigger part of this I

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think so yeah - you know we talked with

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him and I had I talked with Laura quite

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a lot who's a wonderful actress and had

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her talked to my sister and told him

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look my mom wasn't just sort of a prop

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character she really became I think for

422
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a lot of people that met my parents

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they'd see my dad and say okay well it's

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interesting that this scientist believes

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in that but when they saw my mom who's I

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think they could a lot of people could

427
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relay to better who was very practical

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and not given two flights of fancy I

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thought that I think that probably would

430
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have been even more convincing and so

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what they decided with the show was to

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have her be sort of a little bit more

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trepidatious at first as she gets her

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sea legs and then her character arc is

435
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that she gets much more involved in it

436
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and much more active as well that's

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awesome

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yeah just from the first two episodes of

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season 2 I mean I'm really looking

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forward to see where they take that

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especially with our other characters - I

442
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mean we have this sort of amalgamated

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character of Quinn in the show who for

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anyone who watched the first season

445
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knows this is kind of you know a

446
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collection of all different people that

447
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worked with Project Blue Book or just

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some Air Force so yeah that that

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relationship actually really stuck out

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to me in these first two episodes of

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season 2 with Quinn and your father

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Hynek and their growing trust in one

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another or you know a breaking of that

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trust so yeah what do you make of all

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that with them this character that

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wasn't actually working with your father

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but clearly was an inspiration by people

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he did work with right and you're right

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he's an amalgamation of several Blue

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Book Air Force directors primarily

461
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repelled and friend and one a kind of

462
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fun fact about Michael malarkey who's a

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wonderful guy and great actor is if he

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grew up ten minutes away from

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wright-patterson Air Force Base oh wow

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which is just kind of a yeah and you

467
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know it's interesting in you know that's

468
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there's so much drama built to that

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because it's kind of like a buddy cop

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movie but each of the cops has a very

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different boss you know the boss for

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Quinn and the

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forest directors was the air force in

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national security and the boss for my

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dad was well science and they're very

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different masters so even with

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lieutenant colonel friend who is my

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father's favorite of the Air Force

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directors when they would go investigate

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a case the first thing to do was to

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determine if it was if it seemed to be

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legitimate if not it's not legitimate

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then they don't need to worry about it

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if it is then right away their paths

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diverged the Air Force director

486
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lieutenant colonel friend would try to

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see if it posed a risk for national

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security whereas my father would be

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trying to think about how to replicate

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it how to get more data points to prove

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it and to demonstrate it to other people

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so even then with a great person like

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Lieutenant Colonel friend who's the best

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of the lot the best draw my father could

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have had they will be going down

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different paths

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almost immediately after determining

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that there's something to a report so

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there's so much drama just baked into

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that yeah and I think that's what's

501
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really coming to the surface with the

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show is the drama you know in its

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funding cool to think about the fifties

504
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and espionage Cold War UFOs but then

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when you really put the microscope on

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your family in particular and how it

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affects them with your father's work

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that's I think what an audience can

509
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really relate to we all have that person

510
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in our family where we might not be sure

511
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exactly what they're doing every day but

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it's clearly affecting them and it's

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gonna affect the family back home as

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well so yeah yeah I'm so happy to hear

515
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that each character is kind of coming

516
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into their own with the second season so

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yeah I can't wait to see where he's

518
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going my brother Joel is a character in

519
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the show and I asked Sean the showrunner

520
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hey am I gonna be in the show also and

521
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he looks at me over lunch and he says

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you will not be born so little yeah

523
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that's a little God laughter nobody ever

524
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wants to hear that yeah right well well

525
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well we'll see we'll see hey maybe

526
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there's gonna be what Paul 1215 seasons

527
00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:30,610
of the show we'll finally get to the day

528
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you're born maybe

529
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yeah but I think as a joke that make me

530
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like a drooling idiot right right so I

531
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got some some Twitter questions here

532
00:22:43,169 --> 00:22:41,409
when they heard you were coming on they

533
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all jumped on this within like an hour

534
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so thank you to everyone on Twitter

535
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Lance has the first question here and he

536
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says my understanding from Jacques

537
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Vallee is that the case that turned her

538
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father around was the Socorro case did

539
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he ever speak to you about this case

540
00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:00,580
yeah and you know first shout-out to the

541
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,309
great family friend Jacques wale you

542
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know it's it's hard to pick one case

543
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because it's really the accumulated

544
00:23:11,370 --> 00:23:08,799
weight of the evidence but that was a

545
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case if anything like a straw that broke

546
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the camel's back

547
00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:14,559
and yeah indeed he talked about it there

548
00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:16,600
were just several aspects about it that

549
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:18,340
you know in the credibility of the

550
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:20,409
witness that he just found to be really

551
00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:22,870
quite good it's definitely it's one of

552
00:23:27,149 --> 00:23:24,789
those cases I always turned people to

553
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:27,159
when they want you know first of all

554
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:30,010
credible witness and second of all trace

555
00:23:34,049 --> 00:23:32,529
evidence even yeah and if I remember

556
00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:34,059
correctly was this the case where your

557
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,059
dad like hitchhiked to get to the site

558
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,700
or something like that ah I you know I

559
00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:41,919
don't know I get them all mixed up I

560
00:23:53,159 --> 00:23:49,590
this thing I see that I think I remember

561
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:53,169
reading in a biography that that was the

562
00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:54,850
car broke down that he was with the

563
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,590
other people with the air force in and

564
00:24:02,009 --> 00:23:59,679
he wanted to get there knowing full well

565
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:02,019
like you got to be a first responder to

566
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:03,580
these things and they were waiting for

567
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:05,260
another government car to show up and

568
00:24:09,389 --> 00:24:06,730
your dad was like eff this I'm

569
00:24:11,879 --> 00:24:09,399
hitchhiking to get there so I mean that

570
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,889
right there that's like the epitome I

571
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:14,320
think of your father's passion to you

572
00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:16,899
know get to a site investigate and find

573
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:19,240
answers so this is interesting this

574
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,860
wasn't a question but a little comment

575
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:23,679
from Chris when he was 9 years old

576
00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:26,169
his mom's office was right below the

577
00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:29,740
Koufos in Evanston and after school he

578
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:32,200
would um he'd go to her office and then

579
00:24:36,539 --> 00:24:34,149
go upstairs with it with your father and

580
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:36,549
help him file and stuff envelopes and

581
00:24:40,169 --> 00:24:38,110
whatnot

582
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:40,179
his name is Chris I don't have a last

583
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:45,430
name remembers a very intelligent

584
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:48,130
super mature boy hanging around the

585
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:51,070
office and maybe you remember seeing me

586
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:54,670
I think there you go who you set that

587
00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:57,370
one up that was great I love that he

588
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,410
just he basically says you know he just

589
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:01,120
remembers having that moment with your

590
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:03,700
father that he'll never forget so that's

591
00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:05,010
pretty cool

592
00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:08,200
Ellen asks I would love to know if there

593
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:11,500
are any files or investigations that you

594
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,570
may know about that never saw the light

595
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:16,480
of day from your father or any archives

596
00:25:24,380 --> 00:25:19,630
or info that your father hasn't released

597
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:24,390
yet that we might see maybe someday in

598
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:26,830
reality UFOs are seen by people from all

599
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:28,600
walks of life every day all around the

600
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:29,770
world they've also been officially

601
00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:31,450
investigated by the US government and by

602
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,740
governments of several other countries

603
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:34,480
too that's just a small element of what

604
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:36,010
makes the strange UFO topic so

605
00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:37,630
incredibly fascinating and fun to

606
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:39,430
explore that's what we do on the UFO

607
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608
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613
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one of the sort of sad things is that my

614
00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:01,900
father's files are not in my possession

615
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:04,420
at the moment and I have an idea where

616
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:07,290
they are and I'm trying to secure them

617
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:12,400
so there may be some unreported gems and

618
00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:13,870
nuggets in there but I don't have

619
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:16,600
possession of them at this moment gotcha

620
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:19,480
this kind of ties into um a question I

621
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:22,600
have for you as well Paul is the

622
00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:25,480
re-release of the Hynek report this book

623
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:27,580
right and I know you wrote the foreword

624
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:29,290
for that and that kind of ties into this

625
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:31,240
what sets this book apart from the

626
00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:32,770
original one that your father came out

627
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:36,460
with well the impetus for this was that

628
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:38,610
basically the MUFON publishing company

629
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:41,470
finding that there were pirated copies

630
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:44,140
of the book on Amazon so they called my

631
00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:45,790
brother Scott and I my brother Scott is

632
00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:48,280
the oldest and he's the executor of my

633
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:50,800
parents estate and and told us about

634
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:52,600
that and we said well yeah okay that's

635
00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:54,970
bad see if you can take it down and they

636
00:26:59,010 --> 00:26:56,920
that was a really nice good-faith

637
00:27:01,050 --> 00:26:59,020
gesture by Jeff Herman

638
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:01,060
and then he asked if we'd like to

639
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:03,190
republish reprint the book to make an

640
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:06,310
official copy and if the if we would

641
00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:08,380
write a foreword and I said yes but I

642
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:10,420
think it'd be nice if all five of us of

643
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:11,880
all five most of the children

644
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:14,020
contributed to the foreword to sort of

645
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:15,790
freshen it up a bit and provide a

646
00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:18,400
perspective sort of modern family

647
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:20,560
perspective to the book and so that now

648
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:23,350
that's what we have online so for people

649
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:25,330
who are interested they can buy an

650
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:27,580
officially published book with a new

651
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:30,460
forward on Amazon that's awesome yeah I

652
00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:33,310
got my copy about a month ago and again

653
00:27:38,670 --> 00:27:36,100
you know I have the original but this

654
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:38,680
newer version it it you can now look at

655
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:41,260
it through newer eyes you know younger

656
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,540
fresher eyes I think so I was really

657
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:46,240
happy to see that come out kids on

658
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:48,250
Twitter asks what is the biggest issue

659
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:51,070
you've had with how your father is

660
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:53,350
portrayed on the TV show or on the flip

661
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:54,970
side your favorite thing that they've

662
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:57,610
done with your father huh you know it's

663
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:01,080
interesting when I watched this show and

664
00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:03,730
even when I'm on set it's kind of like a

665
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:05,920
parallel reality you know I when I went

666
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:08,020
to the set the first time I had never

667
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:11,170
heard the word Hynek spoken aloud even

668
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,230
at family reunions because I was

669
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,240
thinking I need to the set and I see

670
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:18,640
Hynek on boxes and all this so it's like

671
00:28:23,790 --> 00:28:21,490
this sort of parallel reality that's a

672
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:23,800
different reality than my day-to-day

673
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:27,580
life but then there are moments such as

674
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:31,300
in episode 10 of season one where mimi

675
00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:33,550
is walking down the street with a jacket

676
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:36,100
and has she has kind of a broach on and

677
00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:37,870
I look at that I said well that looks

678
00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:39,880
familiar and then I realized that was

679
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:42,460
actually belonged to my mom and I had

680
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:44,200
given it to Laura a year and a half

681
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:47,470
before production and forgotten Wow

682
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:52,110
so apples kind of things collide it

683
00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:56,740
really it's really impactful on me in

684
00:29:01,170 --> 00:28:59,560
terms of what I don't like or like about

685
00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:01,180
my dad there's not really anything I

686
00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:03,430
don't like because you sort of talked

687
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:06,520
about how the premise of the show there

688
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:08,350
was one moment that was really kind of

689
00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:11,350
eerie when I was on the set outside and

690
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:11,920
it's

691
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,980
scene in episode 1 where Aiden is is

692
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:16,960
driving around being chased and chasing

693
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:18,760
another car and he's actually doing all

694
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:21,700
the driving himself and between takes he

695
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:22,870
would get out of the car and come over

696
00:29:27,419 --> 00:29:25,510
and talk with me and after talking with

697
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:27,429
me and going back to the car one time he

698
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,020
turns around he's walking away from me

699
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:30,640
wearing that sort of trench coat and the

700
00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:33,630
hat and I just felt my dad's presence

701
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:36,670
and it was it was really quite something

702
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:37,990
so that was one of the moments I

703
00:29:42,419 --> 00:29:40,450
remember the most are other times

704
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:42,429
watching the show and I'll just get in

705
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:44,740
you know enveloped in the drama thinking

706
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:46,390
hey this is pretty cool and forget what

707
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:47,470
it's who it is

708
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,720
and then I'll Alan & Mimi I'm like oh

709
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:51,340
that's right this is my parents that's

710
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:57,070
my TV mom and dad Ryan it's not super

711
00:30:02,700 --> 00:29:59,860
creepy at all to have the Game of

712
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:02,710
Thrones super villain play your TV dad

713
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,100
know I'm sure I'm sure

714
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:08,559
what in incredible casting choice I mean

715
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:10,510
that is one thing I'll stop and say here

716
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:13,809
the casting for this show and the the

717
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:16,740
performances are just top-notch and

718
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:19,720
thank God because I remember when

719
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:22,270
everyone and at least the UFO community

720
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:24,070
first heard about the show of course

721
00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:26,470
we're excited but we're like oh no if

722
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:28,660
this is like some cheap little

723
00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:31,030
production and they're gonna do him so

724
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:33,100
wrong and then boom that first episode

725
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:35,830
hit and I think me and a lot of other

726
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:38,169
people were like holy man this is

727
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:41,230
like they really went all out for that

728
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:43,450
first season and then season two just

729
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,580
seeing the first two episodes it is

730
00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:48,880
clear that they they got they're working

731
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:50,350
with a lot more this season for sure

732
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:53,230
yeah I agree I think the casting is

733
00:30:58,590 --> 00:30:56,020
fantastic and one of the interesting

734
00:31:01,620 --> 00:30:58,600
characters is played by michael harney

735
00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:01,630
who plays general Valentine he's one of

736
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:06,520
the top brass at the Air Force who may

737
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:09,730
or may not try to kill my TV father hmm

738
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:12,820
and he's a wonderful versatile actor and

739
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:15,190
I talked with him we did a publicity

740
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:18,850
event in Chicago and you know talk with

741
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:21,309
him about playing what some people would

742
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:24,700
consider a bad guy and you know we what

743
00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:25,670
we were we

744
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:28,790
readon is that in his role he's got to

745
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:30,440
protect national security and this is

746
00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:32,840
almost like a permanent wartime setting

747
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:35,630
in the Cold War in the space race and if

748
00:31:40,570 --> 00:31:38,630
you've got this rogue professor who's

749
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:40,580
going off the reservation and may

750
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:43,610
disclose the most sensitive national

751
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:46,850
security interest as that general you

752
00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:49,880
may sort of put him out to pasture and

753
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:52,520
sleep just fine that night mm-hmm

754
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:53,930
and that's how he approached the role

755
00:32:00,300 --> 00:31:57,050
and yet in reality in college he was a

756
00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:00,310
big fan of my dad and bought his books

757
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,140
there you go man there's the dichotomy

758
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,080
right there I love that yeah I mean in I

759
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:08,480
feel like that is a lot I think people

760
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:10,610
with in the military and government

761
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:12,590
probably respected your father more than

762
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:14,840
they would ever vocally say but they had

763
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:17,240
their job too and we know Blue Book was

764
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,650
created as like a publicity thing to

765
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,360
debunk the UFO phenomenon or at least

766
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:26,240
the threat of the UFO phenomenon so yes

767
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:27,830
right and you know I recently came

768
00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:29,690
across some correspondence between

769
00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:31,880
arthur c clarke and my father and he

770
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:33,230
says the exact same thing that you just

771
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:36,500
said Ryan where he says publicly I shoot

772
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:39,170
down UFOs but privately I quite agree

773
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:41,510
with your with your attitude and your

774
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:43,970
stance doctor kind of interesting I I'm

775
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:46,010
sure there's a lot of other scientists

776
00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:48,620
and people out there too who would say

777
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:50,840
the same thing and until you get them

778
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:53,480
you know four deep Bourbons at a bar

779
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:55,460
you're not gonna hear they're honest two

780
00:32:59,740 --> 00:32:58,010
thoughts on Paul I'm gonna sort of melt

781
00:33:02,290 --> 00:32:59,750
two questions here together from Twitter

782
00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:02,300
this comes from mega guillotine and the

783
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:04,220
undead Gaucho people have the weirdest

784
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:07,910
Twitter handles and the undead Gaucho

785
00:33:14,770 --> 00:33:11,870
yes yeah I did an hour-long keynote

786
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:14,780
speech in Spanish in Argentina in

787
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:16,490
November so that may be where this is

788
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:18,470
coming from who it might be

789
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:21,350
Wow well so you're bilingual as well no

790
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:23,870
I'm a language guy but my best languages

791
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:25,610
are French and Japanese but what I

792
00:33:31,030 --> 00:33:28,520
realized was all I had to do is read in

793
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:31,040
an animated manner a very good

794
00:33:37,330 --> 00:33:33,740
translation of what I would have said in

795
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:37,340
English with matic pauses and that would

796
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:39,050
come across just fine and I wouldn't

797
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:39,290
need

798
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:41,390
interpreter who would effectively have

799
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:43,910
the time of my presentation and it went

800
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:44,330
really well

801
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:46,940
good okay I was gonna ask how do they go

802
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:51,070
good that's good to you okay so they ask

803
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:53,570
what are your personal thoughts on the

804
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:56,570
UFO phenomenon and I guess maybe tying

805
00:34:00,820 --> 00:33:58,010
this in did you and your father ever

806
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:00,830
have any experiences together of seeing

807
00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:04,370
anything out on an investigation or just

808
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:06,200
you know in your everyday life with him

809
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:09,640
let me unpack that second one first so I

810
00:34:16,150 --> 00:34:12,830
you know to try to earn my junior field

811
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:16,160
investigator merit badge from my dad had

812
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:17,450
been talking to some guy on the phone

813
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:19,970
who said he was an alien and he could

814
00:34:25,870 --> 00:34:24,020
prove it by staring at the Sun and and

815
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:25,880
he lived in suburban Chicago and somehow

816
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:27,770
I convinced my dad to go with me to go

817
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,919
visit him so we go out there we knock on

818
00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:32,960
the door and an elderly couple answers

819
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,660
the door and we said hi is George here

820
00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:38,480
and the woman said kind of sheepishly

821
00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:42,020
yeah he's in the basement so right away

822
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:44,419
this didn't seem to be starting off very

823
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:46,730
well so we go down to the basement and

824
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:48,290
there's George or whatever his name was

825
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:50,630
and he had this kind of helter-skelter

826
00:34:55,570 --> 00:34:53,870
look in his eyes and the room has got

827
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,580
pennies everywhere just pennies

828
00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:57,920
thousands of pennies glued to everything

829
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:00,620
you can imagine and he starts talking

830
00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:03,740
about copper and how important copper is

831
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:05,750
and that's apparently why their pennies

832
00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:06,470
everywhere

833
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:09,560
and then at one point he turns out the

834
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:12,230
light and turns on a black light and he

835
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:14,120
pulls out this big huge hunting knife

836
00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:16,610
with like these kind of runic like

837
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:19,220
characters on it painted in black ink on

838
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:23,510
the knife I'm thinking oh my god uh so I

839
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:26,390
see my dad saying I'm gonna have to take

840
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:29,750
it and and then my dad I said okay

841
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:32,330
that's a it's okay let's let's see that

842
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,710
let's see that you looking at the Sun

843
00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:35,660
which is are sort of our escape ticket

844
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:38,360
so we said okay so we turn we go outside

845
00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:41,330
and there's a car again with thousands

846
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:43,580
of pennies glued all over it including

847
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,930
on the tip of the cigarette lighter I

848
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:46,640
mean the attention to detail was really

849
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:48,740
something and he starts looking directly

850
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:51,410
at the Sun now this is in Chicago so

851
00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:52,790
it's not by the equator

852
00:35:58,210 --> 00:35:55,880
it's still a very sunny day and he's

853
00:36:00,340 --> 00:35:58,220
staring at the Sun and finally my dad

854
00:36:02,050 --> 00:36:00,350
realizing that poor fellow is just

855
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:02,060
hurting as I said okay okay okay we

856
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:04,130
believe you would believe you and we

857
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:08,450
left and I don't remember speaking up

858
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:11,630
the whole way home yeah what yeah I mean

859
00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:13,730
I guess all you could say is well that

860
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,580
just happened yeah so the first question

861
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:19,040
what do I believe you know I lean

862
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:21,320
towards what my father and Jacques

863
00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:24,860
Vallee came to believe that the solution

864
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:30,140
for UFOs is likely not at least

865
00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:33,470
exclusively extraterrestrial mm-hmm

866
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:35,300
there could be part of it and and for

867
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:38,180
something as enigmatic as UFO it's

868
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:39,800
probably unlikely that there's one

869
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:43,010
solution but for my father in Jaco LA

870
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,800
the extra-terrestrial hypothesis failed

871
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,560
to explain completely the reports

872
00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:50,510
because first of all they have to travel

873
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:53,270
from vast distances and kind of tweak

874
00:36:57,970 --> 00:36:55,310
Einstein and relativity in the nose on

875
00:37:00,460 --> 00:36:57,980
the way here we have super sensitive

876
00:37:02,590 --> 00:37:00,470
instruments that detect objects entering

877
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,600
and leaving our atmosphere and yet we

878
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:04,880
don't have the corresponding reports of

879
00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:06,440
those objects entering or leaving the

880
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:08,120
atmosphere to go along with the

881
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:10,070
sightings that we have here and they

882
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:12,830
exhibit a lot of comfort with our earth

883
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:16,250
gravity and atmosphere then they also

884
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:18,860
exhibit you know they sort of violate

885
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:20,630
our known laws of physics and sort of

886
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,100
show up here and they're like a Cheshire

887
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:24,640
Cat so it doesn't seem to be consistent

888
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:27,230
with what we would think to be sort of a

889
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:29,780
nuts-and-bolts craft from another planet

890
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:32,030
then there's the sort of astronomical

891
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:34,310
distances and why they would come here

892
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:37,430
etc so my father and Jacques and others

893
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,830
began positing about something perhaps

894
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,160
even more exotic like interdimensional

895
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:45,680
some other explanations for this and

896
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:47,270
that's something that really resonates

897
00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:50,840
with me and so I've been doing my own

898
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:53,120
research interest as I met with a friend

899
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:55,490
of mine recently a couple months ago and

900
00:37:59,380 --> 00:37:57,830
he asked what my dad thought and I gave

901
00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:59,390
him much the same answer I just gave you

902
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,160
and he said you should read a book

903
00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:04,160
called alien information theory and I

904
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:06,440
said wow that is one of the

905
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:09,290
the sounding book titles I've ever heard

906
00:38:15,099 --> 00:38:12,710
you had a I will definitely read them

907
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,109
and so I have that it's a fine book by a

908
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:18,079
guy named Andrew Gallimore and it talks

909
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:21,410
about the commonality of experiences of

910
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:23,690
people who take this super powerful

911
00:38:28,569 --> 00:38:27,260
psychedelic known as DMT who feel that

912
00:38:31,450 --> 00:38:28,579
they are transported to another

913
00:38:34,839 --> 00:38:31,460
dimension and see what Terence Mckenna

914
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:34,849
calls machine Elves and feel that that

915
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:37,730
is basically where the fabric of the

916
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,010
universe is created now this is super

917
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:43,520
trippy stuff but leaving no one stone

918
00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:46,430
unturned including guys who can look at

919
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:48,859
the Sun in suburban Chicago I decide

920
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:51,290
that needed to try that so I started

921
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,010
doing DMT to see what I could find and I

922
00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:57,200
felt I was transported to this realm

923
00:39:02,020 --> 00:38:59,810
Ryan and I felt this presence and I

924
00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:02,030
asked them once I got my bearings are

925
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:05,960
you what we perceive of as UFOs and

926
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:10,970
aliens and the answer I got back was we

927
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:13,640
can't explain in a way that you would

928
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:16,940
understand and I said well I understand

929
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:19,400
no so it sounds like there's some amount

930
00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:23,990
of yes in what you're saying so you know

931
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,270
I will let the listeners make up their

932
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:29,599
own minds about the veracity or you know

933
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:31,550
the intrigue factor of a powerful

934
00:39:39,309 --> 00:39:35,680
psychedelic but for me it's a a

935
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:39,319
worthwhile and Superfund research a

936
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:45,550
provenance theory for UFOs Wow

937
00:39:50,410 --> 00:39:48,260
hey I I might have to take you up on

938
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:50,420
them and go next level with my UFO

939
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,990
research that's that's amazing I mean I

940
00:39:59,410 --> 00:39:56,000
mean kudos to you for having the courage

941
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,420
to do something like that but yeah it

942
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:02,000
freaked me the hell out to be honest any

943
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:05,690
any mind-altering drug kind of scares me

944
00:40:10,359 --> 00:40:07,609
but that's not to say I haven't done it

945
00:40:12,099 --> 00:40:10,369
in the past but that's really

946
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:12,109
interesting and the fact that you got

947
00:40:17,710 --> 00:40:15,050
that that kind of answer you know from

948
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:17,720
somewhere in your let's say

949
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:19,400
consciousness or

950
00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:22,249
something that was connecting to this

951
00:40:28,809 --> 00:40:25,960
that's absolutely fascinating and so

952
00:40:31,059 --> 00:40:28,819
there's a book by Rick Strassman called

953
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:31,069
the spirit molecule really interesting

954
00:40:34,809 --> 00:40:32,990
things to say about DMT and the sort of

955
00:40:37,089 --> 00:40:34,819
body of user experiences and after

956
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,099
reading that there's sort of some of the

957
00:40:43,989 --> 00:40:40,640
commonalities and the verisimilitude of

958
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:43,999
the user experiences kind of reminded me

959
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:46,880
of what I've grown up with in terms of

960
00:40:51,279 --> 00:40:49,490
UFO reports and I thought ok it's a

961
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:51,289
Parkman fact that just sounds really fun

962
00:40:56,589 --> 00:40:54,049
to do sounds like it there is something

963
00:40:59,579 --> 00:40:56,599
of interest here and I want to take a

964
00:41:03,160 --> 00:40:59,589
look at this so I thought hey this is a

965
00:41:06,059 --> 00:41:03,170
legitimate way that I can try to pursue

966
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:06,069
one thread of my father's research

967
00:41:11,019 --> 00:41:09,109
that's really interesting and I I'm

968
00:41:13,809 --> 00:41:11,029
wishing you the best of luck with that

969
00:41:15,789 --> 00:41:13,819
and I know in season 2 of the TV show

970
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:15,799
we're gonna be diving a little bit into

971
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:17,690
some mind-altering stuff or mind

972
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:21,650
manipulation so um hey yes yeah wow

973
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:23,569
that's so cool well I gotta ask you you

974
00:41:26,589 --> 00:41:25,430
know in terms of like modern-day you

975
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:26,599
followed you just a couple more

976
00:41:31,509 --> 00:41:29,210
questions here Paul if you don't mind

977
00:41:34,359 --> 00:41:31,519
modern-day ufology the UFO phenomenon

978
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:34,369
and disclosure and sort of the overall

979
00:41:41,789 --> 00:41:38,420
conversation of UFOs you know post a tip

980
00:41:43,809 --> 00:41:41,799
and New York Times story Navy sightings

981
00:41:45,759 --> 00:41:43,819
you know we even have a bunch of more

982
00:41:47,710 --> 00:41:45,769
scientists and astronauts coming forward

983
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,720
what there are thoughts and acceptance

984
00:41:53,999 --> 00:41:50,319
on these things so um where do you think

985
00:41:57,099 --> 00:41:54,009
we're heading in terms of the entire UFO

986
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:57,109
discourse I guess we seem to have sort

987
00:42:02,259 --> 00:42:00,140
of hit this new precipice Project Blue

988
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:02,269
Book is part of that making UFOs

989
00:42:10,749 --> 00:42:05,630
mainstream so right what do you think so

990
00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:10,759
I'm of two minds one there is definitely

991
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:13,999
a US government cover-up by definition

992
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:15,650
because in the Freedom of Information

993
00:42:23,009 --> 00:42:18,950
Act document releases words are blacked

994
00:42:26,289 --> 00:42:23,019
out so there is a there is a cover-up

995
00:42:28,509 --> 00:42:26,299
how far does that cover-up extend it has

996
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:28,519
the Air Force or the army or Navy

997
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:31,849
whoever retrieved you know crashed

998
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:32,990
saucers

999
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:35,570
and alien bodies and have they been

1000
00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:37,700
reverse engineering things lo these many

1001
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:41,390
years I don't know I but there is a

1002
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:42,010
cover-up

1003
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:45,470
now I also think it's hard for

1004
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:47,150
government agencies like that to keep

1005
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,160
secrets for so long well you can say

1006
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:51,440
well Bob Lazar and others you know are

1007
00:42:57,570 --> 00:42:54,710
coming out but still that secret is more

1008
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:57,580
or less kept and that's hard to do but

1009
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:00,380
with you know the the Nimitz and

1010
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,780
especially the Navy saying things like

1011
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:03,440
yes

1012
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,540
the Nimitz encounter and and Kevin day

1013
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:07,760
the chief petty officer is a friend of

1014
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:09,710
mine is one of the most sincere people

1015
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:11,210
you can meet one of the most credible

1016
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:13,790
witnesses you can imagine with the Navy

1017
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:17,030
saying yes that video is real oh and by

1018
00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:18,890
the way we've seen hundreds of these

1019
00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:20,900
things don't really know how to report

1020
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:23,540
him and could use a hand to me that's

1021
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,210
more compelling than any single case so

1022
00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:28,640
why would the Navy do that there must be

1023
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:31,400
so much more than what they're letting

1024
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:33,500
on for them to basically go belly up and

1025
00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:38,180
say how about a hand so yeah what no my

1026
00:43:42,609 --> 00:43:39,830
friends Richard Dolan and Steve Bassett

1027
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:42,619
who are think to their world experts on

1028
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,170
disclosure and the various nuances about

1029
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:47,920
disclosure I've told them that look I

1030
00:43:52,359 --> 00:43:50,420
don't know that there's this much

1031
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:52,369
information to disclose as as you guys

1032
00:43:58,090 --> 00:43:55,369
say but I'll tell you that and hearing

1033
00:44:00,099 --> 00:43:58,100
their timelines and and fitting in the

1034
00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:00,109
Navy pieces it certainly seems

1035
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:02,680
consistent with the government

1036
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:05,570
acknowledging that the secret is going

1037
00:44:09,849 --> 00:44:07,580
to come out and that they want to sort

1038
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,859
of prime the pump and control the

1039
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:11,990
narrative as best they can pre

1040
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:14,270
disclosure you know if you if you were

1041
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:16,700
the government and again well this sort

1042
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:18,140
of assumes the government's acting in a

1043
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:20,090
monolithic block that all the agencies

1044
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:22,490
are in right now that we know is not the

1045
00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:24,740
case yeah right or maybe they're

1046
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:26,600
competing you know to try to get the

1047
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:29,470
word out I don't know but the Navy stuff

1048
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:31,700
that is some of the most compelling

1049
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:34,520
stuff I've seen and really makes me

1050
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:37,670
think that in addition to legitimizing

1051
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:39,740
phenomena which didn't need to happen in

1052
00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:42,740
my mind but that there's a government

1053
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,860
that that has a motive for does

1054
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:48,960
closing that information and it makes it

1055
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:51,890
seem more likely that that motive is

1056
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,330
subsequent disclosure with a capital D

1057
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,400
and then but one of the that I find

1058
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,560
interesting Ryan in this area of fake

1059
00:45:02,890 --> 00:45:00,900
news you know we always you know through

1060
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:02,900
my life we talked about how the Grand

1061
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:06,660
sort of reveal would be a UFO landing on

1062
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:09,180
the lawn of the White House well just

1063
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:10,560
think about that for a minute if that

1064
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:14,910
happened today and CNN and Fox and NB

1065
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:17,250
NBC and whoever else has a camera

1066
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:20,190
pointed at this UFO landing on the lawn

1067
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:22,530
of the White House what percentage of

1068
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:24,510
the population would simply refuse to

1069
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,660
believe probably a lot more yeah right I

1070
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,520
think this would go this would not be a

1071
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,480
partisan issue

1072
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:32,160
you'd have Democrats and Republicans

1073
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:34,290
saying no I don't believe it I don't

1074
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:36,420
want to believe it you know this is a

1075
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:39,390
doctored photo and so I think one of the

1076
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:42,570
things in the you know the back rooms of

1077
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:44,850
government or governments who are

1078
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:48,050
perhaps sort of planning a disclosure

1079
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:51,930
the refusal of a wide swath of the

1080
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:54,030
populace to believe whatever they say

1081
00:45:59,330 --> 00:45:57,660
has to be a significant concern which

1082
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:59,340
wouldn't have been the case 20 years ago

1083
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:02,220
right and kind of you know in this day

1084
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:04,350
and age it defeats the purpose I think

1085
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:05,910
of what Project Blue Book originally

1086
00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:07,800
stood for and that was making the public

1087
00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:12,360
think one thing so yeah Wow that's you

1088
00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:14,100
know that Shawn talks about one of the

1089
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,320
reasons that they set the show about

1090
00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:18,780
UFOs in the 50s was that Project Blue

1091
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:20,360
Book was really one of the first

1092
00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:23,940
instances of widespread government fake

1093
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:26,340
news and trying to control the NER White

1094
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:28,290
and wasn't that what the Condon

1095
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:31,920
committee or the report was about well

1096
00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:34,920
there you know the government the Air

1097
00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:37,080
Force brought in my father because the

1098
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:38,550
military has a lot of respect for

1099
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,830
academics and they started to use them

1100
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,440
as cover for what they want to do so in

1101
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:46,560
1953 was the Robertson panel cooked up

1102
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:48,570
by the CIA which basically said there's

1103
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:49,740
nothing to see here folks please

1104
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:51,930
disperse and then the Condon committee

1105
00:46:57,110 --> 00:46:55,410
in 1969 which the which said again

1106
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,120
there's nothing here which the airforce

1107
00:47:00,229 --> 00:46:58,800
pointed to and said hey look all these

1108
00:47:02,329 --> 00:47:00,239
Brainiac academia

1109
00:47:04,489 --> 00:47:02,339
there's nothing there so we can you know

1110
00:47:05,929 --> 00:47:04,499
fold up the tent and go home the

1111
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:05,939
interesting thing about the Condon

1112
00:47:10,999 --> 00:47:08,879
report is if you read the conclusions at

1113
00:47:13,489 --> 00:47:11,009
the beginning the report and actually

1114
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,499
read the report the report makes a very

1115
00:47:18,649 --> 00:47:16,319
good case for UFOs but it was clear that

1116
00:47:21,259 --> 00:47:18,659
the fix was in so the conclusion of the

1117
00:47:24,229 --> 00:47:21,269
report bears no relation to the actual

1118
00:47:27,049 --> 00:47:24,239
data of the report and again I feel like

1119
00:47:29,479 --> 00:47:27,059
this all kind of leads to your your

1120
00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:29,489
father creating his own UFO research

1121
00:47:34,729 --> 00:47:32,759
organization is look we did our job I

1122
00:47:36,799 --> 00:47:34,739
was not convinced that everything could

1123
00:47:40,299 --> 00:47:36,809
be explained what was it 700 something

1124
00:47:43,429 --> 00:47:40,309
cases never solved and now he's gonna

1125
00:47:47,149 --> 00:47:43,439
about 5% that's right that's crazy

1126
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,159
that's such a big this is an entity that

1127
00:47:52,909 --> 00:47:49,859
was largely a PR exercise whose mandate

1128
00:47:54,529 --> 00:47:52,919
was to explain every case and and not to

1129
00:47:56,899 --> 00:47:54,539
get to the bottom of it not to let the

1130
00:47:58,999 --> 00:47:56,909
chips fall where they may but just find

1131
00:48:02,659 --> 00:47:59,009
an explanation so if you've got that

1132
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:02,669
strong military directive and you still

1133
00:48:08,749 --> 00:48:05,579
can only explain 95 percent something's

1134
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:08,759
rotten in Denmark that's right and like

1135
00:48:13,789 --> 00:48:11,339
you said and like Kevin day would say I

1136
00:48:15,949 --> 00:48:13,799
think even the military needs a little

1137
00:48:18,709 --> 00:48:15,959
help in figuring this stuff out and the

1138
00:48:20,689 --> 00:48:18,719
first our own military is willing to say

1139
00:48:22,819 --> 00:48:20,699
that now and now the Army's getting

1140
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:22,829
involved with to the Stars Academy whole

1141
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:25,619
other story for another time but um it

1142
00:48:30,019 --> 00:48:27,569
is interesting that all the different

1143
00:48:33,499 --> 00:48:30,029
military branches are now starting to

1144
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:33,509
kind of look at this topic and we'll see

1145
00:48:37,729 --> 00:48:35,849
where that goes but to sort of close

1146
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,739
this out Paul what what do you hope

1147
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:40,559
people will take away from both the TV

1148
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,049
show Project Blue Book and the real life

1149
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:45,119
story of your father what is like that

1150
00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:47,609
one thing you hope the public will take

1151
00:48:53,899 --> 00:48:50,849
away from all this well works of fiction

1152
00:48:56,149 --> 00:48:53,909
and Project Blue Book is a is largely

1153
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:56,159
fiction as the craters and everybody

1154
00:49:01,749 --> 00:48:59,339
will readily admit and like things like

1155
00:49:06,409 --> 00:49:01,759
Close Encounters which was a seminal

1156
00:49:10,459 --> 00:49:06,419
movie in its time they serve a valuable

1157
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:10,469
purpose I feel I'm all for documentaries

1158
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:14,230
and books factual books of

1159
00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:17,890
UFOs but the the thing worth that they

1160
00:49:25,859 --> 00:49:22,180
don't often accomplish is to widened a

1161
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:25,869
tent of belief of believers and the

1162
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:27,910
phenomena or acceptors of the phenomena

1163
00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:31,990
and of be stigmatizing this kind of

1164
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:35,320
curious phenomena fictional pieces like

1165
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,290
Close Encounters and project Bluebook to

1166
00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:40,420
a degree in that it ain't you know goes

1167
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,240
into the fictional world a good deal do

1168
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:46,000
that and that they they say come for the

1169
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:48,940
story stayed for the UFOs and they

1170
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,310
widened that tent they open up the

1171
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:53,260
dialogue they make it more acceptable

1172
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:55,420
for people who may not have felt

1173
00:49:59,700 --> 00:49:57,880
comfortable before to actually talk

1174
00:50:02,490 --> 00:49:59,710
about it and relate their own

1175
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:02,500
experiences so I think it serves a very

1176
00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:05,170
good purpose besides just being you know

1177
00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:08,589
a super fun drama of you know youth they

1178
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:10,150
say you have a family of four people or

1179
00:50:13,319 --> 00:50:12,040
some friends together couple them

1180
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:13,329
believe in UFOs the other ones don't

1181
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:15,790
they can see the character arc of my

1182
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,980
father who is a character that they

1183
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:19,359
could relate to you and my mother as

1184
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:22,329
well and say okay well you know they're

1185
00:50:26,339 --> 00:50:23,890
they're not trying to believe something

1186
00:50:29,579 --> 00:50:26,349
but they can't just sweep everything

1187
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:29,589
under the rug hmm okay and then with the

1188
00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:31,569
show they have the interviews at the end

1189
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:33,160
with I've been on there and my brother

1190
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,900
and Jacques Vallee and Richard Dolan and

1191
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:36,880
others and they can actually learn more

1192
00:50:42,359 --> 00:50:39,880
about the actual reports of those cases

1193
00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:42,369
that are portrayed in the show so I

1194
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:44,109
think when you when you have these

1195
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:47,290
dramatizations it strikes at a wider

1196
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:50,050
swath of a potential audience than the

1197
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:52,329
already converted absolutely and like

1198
00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:54,760
you said like one person at a time I

1199
00:51:00,210 --> 00:50:57,190
think is where this word disclosure is

1200
00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:00,220
gonna happen I don't think like you said

1201
00:51:05,099 --> 00:51:02,260
there's gonna be a UFO on the White

1202
00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:05,109
House lawn I think each person having a

1203
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:08,440
UFO encounter or sighting and telling it

1204
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:11,310
to someone is disclosure for them and

1205
00:51:19,319 --> 00:51:15,910
that's right and I think what we may

1206
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:19,329
have happened Ryan is that by the point

1207
00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:22,540
where there could be a signal event a

1208
00:51:27,329 --> 00:51:25,060
single event that would constitute a

1209
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:27,339
disclosure there may be enough people

1210
00:51:29,609 --> 00:51:27,910
that believe

1211
00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:29,619
all ready that you don't really need any

1212
00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:32,020
kind of disclosure so maybe it's more of

1213
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:36,280
an evolution of individuals as opposed

1214
00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:38,470
to an act of the government I think

1215
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:39,670
that's where we're heading to I think

1216
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:42,520
this whole you know Navy UFO thing

1217
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:44,980
that's just the beginning of getting

1218
00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:47,770
this out to as many people as we can and

1219
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:49,420
then you know that collective

1220
00:51:54,329 --> 00:51:51,970
consciousness maybe someday will be

1221
00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:54,339
ready and now whatever controllers are

1222
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:56,260
behind these phenomena will be like boom

1223
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:58,030
all right you guys are good let's do

1224
00:52:01,289 --> 00:51:58,450
this

1225
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:01,299
Galactic Federation it's easy to imagine

1226
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,700
that what the Navy is done is not their

1227
00:52:08,099 --> 00:52:05,920
final word on the subject but an initial

1228
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:08,109
salvo whether or not that you believe

1229
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:10,569
that in UFOs and you believe that the

1230
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:13,240
government is using the Navy to do this

1231
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:15,460
grand disclosure thing certainly seems

1232
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:17,710
like the Navy has there as has an agenda

1233
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:20,170
that hasn't quite completely hasn't

1234
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:22,930
quite concluded yet to be continued as

1235
00:52:29,309 --> 00:52:27,190
always I guess but Paul um before you go

1236
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:29,319
is there anywhere you can direct us for

1237
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:31,299
your work or any upcoming events you'll

1238
00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:33,430
be doing yes so we just had the viewing

1239
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:35,109
party on Tuesday for the first episode

1240
00:52:40,829 --> 00:52:38,319
which was great and a lot of folks there

1241
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:40,839
and I'd like to say that I'm happy to

1242
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:43,660
have accepted the position as chairman

1243
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:46,210
of the Advisory Board of MUFON which is

1244
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:48,430
the largest UFO research birth Wow

1245
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:51,460
congratulations yeah so I'm being sucked

1246
00:52:55,049 --> 00:52:52,690
in of course I'm also involved with the

1247
00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:55,059
Center for UFO or the J Allen Hynek

1248
00:53:00,839 --> 00:52:57,910
Center for your host studies all these

1249
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,849
groups play nicely together in terms of

1250
00:53:07,529 --> 00:53:04,000
events I'll be speaking at UFO

1251
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:07,539
conferences albeit UFO con in February

1252
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,890
in San Francisco

1253
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:11,400
contact in the desert in May

1254
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:13,559
international conference in September

1255
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:18,400
the MUFON symposium in July and probably

1256
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:20,140
a few other ones snuck in there

1257
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:23,470
somewhere busy man I uh I won't keep you

1258
00:53:26,789 --> 00:53:25,150
any longer than well that's amazing I

1259
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:26,799
will see you at contact in the desert

1260
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:29,500
cool that's a great one yeah it's sound

1261
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:30,940
it's gonna be my first time there so I'm

1262
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:32,410
really looking forward to it first time

1263
00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:34,990
out in the you know Joshua Tree Palm

1264
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:38,380
Springs area t so any tips on how to

1265
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:41,140
stay cool please let me know alright and

1266
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:42,040
thank you

1267
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:45,300
pleasure take care buddy

1268
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:51,480
that's it for this week's episode you

1269
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:53,590
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1270
00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:56,170
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1271
00:54:01,050 --> 00:53:58,660
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1280
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,400
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1281
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1284
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1285
00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:31,600
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